Let’s Discuss: Are Pooches a Problem in Public Places?

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To most of the world “dog days” means that sultry part of the summer when the heat makes us want to crank up the air conditioner or the fan and get really lazy.

But in West Hollywood, every day is a dog day. That is, if you define “dog day” as that day when you can roll the ball down the aisle at Whole Foods and laugh as your pup chases it. Or that day when you’re sitting on the fly machine at 24 Hour Fitness, texting to your bff, while your fat little pug pants at your feet. Or that evening when you put that pooch over your shoulder as you address the WeHo City Council.

In a city where only 5% of the population has children, dogs are our kids. And they certainly deserve our respect, as City Councilmember John D’Amico noted when he famously condemned the city’s “fetishization” of children by giving those little humans more space in the city’s park renovation plan than it did to our dogs.

But should pooches, some of whom do have a propensity to poop and pee in public places, really be given entry to WeHo’s restaurants, coffee shops, theatres, bars, grocery stores and gyms? That’s a question that many of our readers have asked.

Therapy dogsOn the one hand, pooches in public places project a very French sort of sophistication (Rover can get an actual seat at the table at a restaurant in Paris). There also are the federal and state laws that allow people to take “service animals” into all sorts of places. For some people, such dogs are essential for getting around and not being homebound.

The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) requires “reasonable accommodation” for service animals, which it defines as “any dog that is individually trained to do some work or perform tasks for the benefit of an individual with a disability.” (The ADA in some circumstances includes miniature horses). The ADA explicitly does not include animals who provide only “emotional support.” Under the ADA there are no restrictions on size, weight or breed of animal – that pit bull needs to be treated as nicely as a poodle.

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Not every dog, or dog guardian (as owners are officially defined in WeHo), qualifies.

California law defines a service dog as one that actually is trained to help a specific individual in a specific way with a disability. That help could include pulling a wheelchair, fetching dropped items and helping rescue you if you pass out. So a dog trained only to run to the sidewalk and fetch the Sunday newspaper won’t qualify.

What is a disability? The definition in California is a bit murky A disability that qualifies one for a service dog is a physical or mental impairment that limits a major life activity – whether physical, mental or social. For example, something that makes it difficult to walk or eat or get up from a chair would be a qualifying disability.

California doesn’t consider emotional issues a disability. So lying to your spouse about your cheating, or getting in a huff when someone ignores you in a bar, won’t qualify you. If you are diagnosed with clinical depression, bipolar disorder, organic brain syndrome, an emotional or mental illness or specific learning disabilities, any of which limits a major life activity, you will qualify. (By the way, in its list of qualifying mental issues, state law specifically excludes compulsive gambling, kleptomania or illegal drug addiction.) But qualifying isn’t enough. That service animal must be trained to deal with that specific disability. (Q: Would a dog whose licks make you laugh qualify if you’re diagnosed as clinically depressed? A: Who knows?)

So how do you know if that dog chasing the ball down the aisle at Whole Foods (and that really happened folks) is a service animal? There’s the problem. (By the way, under state law, a service animal must be leashed or harnessed in public — hint, hint to the woman throwing the ball at Whole Foods). Owners of service animals are encouraged to register them and put tags on their collars that show they are service animals, but that isn’t required.

A business owner or manager can ask if a dog (or miniature horse) is a service animal that one requires because of a disability. The business owner also can ask what the dog is trained to do. But that’s all. If the business owner kicks the person with the service animal out, he could be fined up to $55,000, with fines of up to $100,000 for subsequent violations under the ADA. The risks are lower for those with “service animals” that don’t meet the requirements. In California, falsely claiming your dog is a service animal could get you up to six months in jail (unlikely) and/or a fine of up to $1,000.

So, dear readers, is the perceived proliferation of dogs in the city’s bars, shops and restaurants really a problem? If it is, what, given the restrictions noted above, should be done about it? Please offer your thoughts in the Comments below. (Reminder: This forum is for a debate about the issue. Attacks on individuals or local businesses are not permitted.)

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Manju
Manju
6 years ago

As one who works at a WeHo restaurant with outdoor dining I can tell you dogs DO pee and defecate at my establishment on a daily basis and their guardians rarely offer to clean it up. I spend time mopping and sanitizing the concrete several times a day and cleaning up dog hair from chairs and even tables. I love dogs, but folks this is a real health concern.

Dan Morin
Dan Morin
6 years ago

Should have read: Jimmy – Ask away…next time our paths cross.

Dan Morin
Dan Morin
6 years ago

Jimmy – Ask away…

Jimmy Palmieri
6 years ago

Dan Morin if you ever asked me a question about my dog, I’d quickly tell you to mind your biz. Or, Id start asking you personal/intrusive questions, that indeed you wouldn’t want anyone to know about.

Sandy Beaches
Sandy Beaches
6 years ago

Why on earth would feel the need to bring your dog to the grocery store?

If you don’t care about other people, then think about what your dog is going through!

When you bring a dog to the grocery store, you are parading them through the most enticing smells that they will never taste. It’s a cornucopia of yummy food that they will never get to eat.

If you ask me, this is the definition of animal cruelty.

fine7760
fine7760
6 years ago

I find it rather disturbing that cat owners allow their pets to run free. I have seen hundreds of dead cats lying in the street ran over by cars and trucks. And for those who don’t believe cats can be destructive have another thing coming. I lived in an apartment building many years ago and the multitude of cats running free seem to use the same tree as their rest stop. One morning the tree fell down and it was attributed to the cat urine that had killed the trees roots.

Karen
Karen
6 years ago

No they are Not people too. And they belong in your house or in a dog park, NOT under a table, in a grocery store or in a pool! They are dogs not people!

Dan Morin
Dan Morin
6 years ago

Pets are people too? Oh, right, those pet driver’s licenses.

WeHoboy
WeHoboy
6 years ago

Pets are people too. I love eating out with a few quiet well behaved doggies under the tables! Wish they could go in the grocery stores. My condo won’t allow them around the pool. Homeowners always let theirs in the pool, no one seems to mind that! I am sad now.

Rose
Rose
6 years ago

I think dogs in grocery stores is unsanitary. I love dogs, but food w/dogs not so good. I asked cvs and TJ’s some time ago, and they said it was impossible to control.

But the swell can’t really be stopped. The ADA is so powerful (thank god) and being disabled isn’t even necessary for a dog to be a ‘comfort dog’ for anyone who feels they need their dogs.

I can live with it. I’d rather focus on more serious issues, cracking down on gun control and local crime.

Robert
Robert
7 years ago

I’m fine with seeing dogs in public, but I don’t want to be forced to deal with them. Sadly, dogs are dependent upon their humans to make good decisions. Too often the humans are distracted and let their dog’s leashes block us, let their dogs jump on us, and fail to notice their dog’s poop and barking. It would probably be fine if the humans controlled their dogs and their waste so I didn’t have to deal with them, but they don’t. Keep some order: cats can prowl, dogs can be in public sidewalks on leashes, legitimate service animals can… Read more »

Dan Morin
Dan Morin
7 years ago

Yes, they will.

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